Do You Make This Mistake Tying The FG Knot?

By: Luke Simonds on January 7, 2016
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Ever been in this situation while fighting a fish?

POP!!!

Your line just snapped.

Your Fish is Gone.

Your Lure is Gone.

You are ANGRY…

And as you reel your slack line back in to check to see where the line snapped, you get sick to your stomach as you realize it was the knot you tied where the braid meets the leader…

In other words, it was your fault.

Well, this blog and video should prevent that from happening every again if you are tying the FG knot for your braid to leader connections.

Note: If you aren’t using the FG Knot yet, then click here to see how it continues to outperform all other braid to leader knots in our ongoing knot contest.

The #1 Mistake Tying The FG Knot

The most common mistake I’ve heard from the first video we did about the FG knot has been caused by a very important (but easy to forget) step in the tying process…

It’s the part where the knot gets tightened before the tag end of the leader it cut.

Because without tightening the line, the braid coils don’t dig their grooves into the outer layer of the leader which is what allows the coils to lock into place for good.

And when waiting until after cutting the tag end of the leader before locking in the coils, there is risk of the knot completely sliding off.

Essentially, the FG knot is made up of the following 4 tasks (all of which must be done):

  1. Thread the leader onto the braid while under tension (16 to 20 wraps)
  2. Tie 2+ hitch knots to keep coils from unraveling
  3. Apply tension to main line and leader to lock coils into place BEFORE you cut the tag ends off (This is the step I am continually hearing anglers are leaving out. The braid needs to be so tight at this point that it will be literally digging into the outer layer of the mono – see video and pics below)
  4. Cut tag ends of leader and braid (note: adding a couple hitch knots with the braid after the leader is cut is a common practice to help make the knot more streamlined)

Before & After (FG Knot)

I took a couple of screenshot of what the FG knot should look like before and after you apply the final tension.

Here is the “Before” pic.

Notice how the braid is certainly tight on the mono leader, but it doesn’t appear to be digging into the outer layer of the mono just yet.

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And here is the “After” tension picture.

Notice how incredibly tightly wound this is on the mono line, and notice how the braided line has even turned a slightly darker color because it is in there so tight.

This is how you want it to look before you cut the tag end off.

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You will know when the knot is done correctly.

When locked into place correctly, it will be gripping on to the leader line so tight that you would have serious trouble getting it unraveled.

It kind of acts like the old “Chinese Finger Trap”, so once you get even more tension (like fighting a fish), this knot might as well be cemented on there…

Here is the video showing it all below.

The FG Knot “Mistake” [Video]

Note: My testing with this knot has primarily been with PowerPro braid and mono/fluoro leaders. Results of course vary depending on line type. I’ve heard from some that it is prone to slip when using braid that is made to be slick so be sure to test out the knot before fishing with it.

Conclusion

When done properly, this FG knot is very effective, and quite arguably the overall best and strongest braid to leader knot to date.

There is a reason pro anglers like Blair Wiggins of Addictive Fishing and Tom Rowland of Saltwater Experience (who have tried and tested every knot known to man over the past 30 years) are using and talking about this knot.

In my personal testing, the FG knot has consistently outperformed very popular knots like the double uni, Albright special, crazy Alberto, and others by significant margins (20%+).

I’ve been using it for about a year, and have landed nice fish on lighter line that I thought possible… this tarpon was landed on 10 lb line in less than 20 minutes:

So if you’re using braided line with a thicker leader and are open to try a new knot, then I would highly recommend giving this FG knot a try because its has certainly surprised me in how strong it is as well as how easy it is to tie using this tension method.

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Mr Zog

I lost a $30, handmade lure yesterday. I wanted to cry. FG just unraveled. My fault.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I am guilt of this mistake, I lost 2 leaders the first time out. Apparently I though that the knot didn’t have enough “F” in it because I sure made up for that. Now I’ve got it right.

Bill
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Bill

any problem w/putting a drop of super glue on knot after tying

Frazer Dougherty
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Frazer Dougherty

Hey found it – tho you switched to 39# Ande – might you try testing the FG w/a Ruzzutto finish, per a recent thread at Stripers On Line

Frazer Dougherty
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Frazer Dougherty

You all used 10# Power Pro & 30# Trilene to do tests on the 6 Turn Surgeons, what line sizes did you use in the FG comparisons ???

John dorado
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John dorado

Do u have to wet the braid coils 1st b4 u tighten it all up.

Dirk
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Dirk

Thanks for your time sharing this knot. I like it!

Dan jost
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Dan jost

I’ve been using the FG knot for a few weeks now and absolutely love it. I use it to connect 10# power pro to 10# flourocarbon leader. I was just wondering how often you recommended re-tying the FG knot.

Bill Craig
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Bill Craig

As a fly fisher, I join the butt section of the leader to the fly line with a nail knot. Have you tried the FG knot for the fly line to leader connection?

Arturo Jacinto
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Just saw a note under the FG Knot which stated to be used with braid and stronger mono/ fluoro. Does this mean that on a 20 lbs braided line, I need to use heavier mono/ fluoro such as 25, 30 plus? Or does it mean using thicker mono/ fluoro which may thicker but rated somewhat less in lbs. than the braid? On most of my reels, I step down the line rating from braid to mono/ fluoro. For example, on 3 reels I have 50 spectra 40 mono, 65 spectra 50 mono, 80 Spectra 60 mono respectively. They all are tied with the FG knot and I have never had a problem with the knot. Nevertheless, these are newer reels and the lines haven’t tested on fish above the 50 lbs class. I got a 10 day in October and hoping to see some cows out in the Pacific off of Baja. I’ve just read some of your former replies which recommends the Surgeon with 6 turns. I guess that the thicker the mono the better the purchase the braid will have.

Nick George
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Hey there, I’m very new to fishing but came across saltstrong and it’s been my go to for learning. Recently went out and had my line break a couple times using the FG knot, I don’t think it was the knot since I was pulling it tight before cutting tag end, but I think it was the braid itself breaking from weak points/frays in the main line. Am using 10lb power pro and 30lb fluoro. Any tips on using braided line and/or knowing whether it was the knot or the main line ? I ended up cutting about 5 yards of my main line to ensure all weak points were cut out and it seemed to work a little better. Thanks and keep doing what you’re doing !!!

Darryl
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Darryl

Ok…..planning on using this knot for off shore rock and lingcod as well as tuna. 65lb Power Pro braid with either 25lb sea guar floro premier florocarbon, or 30lb test big game mono leader……would the knot work ok?….keep in mind the braided line is the Slick 8 version of the Power Pro braid…

James Fitzgerald
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This knot is great! We fished 80 to 110lb. Bluefin tuna at San Clemente Island last week I was fortunate to catch 2 big fish a 90 and the JP fish at 110 both using the FG knot on #65 with a #40 Flora top shot and #80 with a #50 top shot. Each fish took well over an hour, the FG knot held up beautifully, thank you I love this knot!!!

Shak
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Shak

So I have 20lb power pro braid and 14lb vanish fluoro. Can I use this knot even though the fluoro is a lower test line than the braid? The braid is still thinner in diameter than the fluoro.

Michael
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Michael

We have connected 30lb braid to 80lb mono, for your information.

Michael
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Michael

Great video, thanks mate. Had this trouble first few practice knots and wasn’t sure why some knots held better than others.
We use these knots barra fishing and have been great.

oespo
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oespo

Wish you would show how strong it is soon after tying it.

Mike Halfhill sr
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Love the tarpon on 10 video. you identify the reel but not the rod. would you mind identifing the rod and giving me an email thanks….

Julian
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Julian

Hey bros! Love what you guys are doing. I’m into freshwater fishing and use 10LB PP braid tied to a 3FT 4-8LB Fluorocarbon leader. Will this FG knot work well for leaders that are almost the same diameter, or a slightly bigger, than the main line? Thanks a bunch!

Sam Hamad
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Sam Hamad

I’ve had this knot fail twice on me so far and I believe for a different reason (I’ve been tightening it down very well before cutting tag ends). I’m trying to connect 30# braid to #50 flouro leader for a surf casting setup. When doing big surf casts, the chunky flouro tail end (even when cut close) feels like it’s banging through the guides and causing the hitch knots to loosen. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the design of the knot seems to connect in a way that leaves the two lines offset from one another, which leaves the thicker leader sticking out, which is what seems to be getting snagged in the guides when casting. Any advice would be appreciated, thanks.

Smith Ragsdale
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Mono is softer than fluro. Will the FG knot work connecting 100# fluro to 60# braid.

Outcast Outdoors
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I’m here because of this knot. Using anything else means you don’t care. Be relevant.

Charles
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Great advice on the FG knot. I have made that same mistake myself before and its no fun to loose a lure or fish. I saw a video that Larry Dahlberg did on tieing the FG knot even though he didn’t know what it was called. The way he finished off the knot I believe is very good. He used another type of knot, I really wish I could remember what he called it because it would be more helpful. However it can be found on you tube. Another thing I like to do when tieing the FG knot is to put a little super glue or zap a gap at the end of the knot to help hold things together.

Steve Sheffield
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Hey Luke. First off, Salt Strong is great.
I actually looked up your original video last night and tied it up. I went fishing today and lost a (cheap) lure. I was ready to curse you. In perfect timing, I see this roll up on my fb page and realize I was making this mistake. Thanks and keep up the great work.

Daryl Yasuda
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Can this knot be use with braided line in reel and mano on top of reel so like using braided line for backing of reel

jared
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jared

i just started tying the pr from your video and had issue with slipping vertical jigging I found that pulling hard after the first hitch right after you fishing the over unders really secures it, then i tighten it again after the 3 more hitchs.

I catch a big sail on a jig today with 40lb leader attached with fg knot

John Carlson
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thank u

Tom
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A knot that I have used for years, that ties fast and very consistently is the seaguar knot. You need to experiment with how many turns you do but it does work well with braid and floro. Check it out online on how to tie it and let me know what you think.

Jim Strickland
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So far I have not had a failure with the FG knot, I did tie the knot over and over until I felt it was secure, So far no failures with the knot. used it fighting tarpon, large jacks, bottom fish and large red drum.

Chuck
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This is now my “go to” connection from braid back-up to mono top shot(300′). It’s been wet a few times with tuna up to 80-90#–no problems. A couple of buds use it too. Thanks for the “how to” video Luke. Tight lines…..

Mike Zych Zych
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I must not have been pulling every time. I know for sure when I first started tying it I was not doing any hitch knots.

I was lucky. I was a bit paranoid at first using it. Once the line was wet and cast a few times, the braid became loose and the leader would slip right through. This was after my first ever FG knot tie worked fine (must have tightened that one).

So I went back to the video and started doing the hitch knots. And can’t remember consciously pulling the knots tight, but I must being doing it now, since I have had not problems since going back and reviewing.

Thanks for this updated video, because now I will make it a point to pull before cutting the leader.

Joseph Simonds
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I had the same issue Mike! The first few times I did it perfect as I was following my brother’s video step-by-step. But one time I was in a hurry fishing before the sun came up, and long story short I saw my $20 topwater lure flying off into the ocean due to a slipped FG knot. But never again!

Mike Zych Zych
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I know this is Salt Strong, but the knot is perfect for fishing frogs in the slop too. I can use a heavy braid with a heavy fluoro leader, reducing some visibility of the line when resting the plastic frog in an opening.

Tex Ritter
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Great knot…..However! If tying very light leader to larger braid it may still slip. To avoid that I tie a couple extra loop knots with the leader as well as with the main line, have not had loss yet, experiment with this mod, I think it will work for you.
Thanks Luke for some great tips.

David
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Great info thanks gives me more confidence to try the FG knot

Bryan
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Bryan

Have you guys tried finishing the fg with a rizutto finish? After learning it from a friend and fellow GT fisherman it blows away any other finishing method.

Charles Sainz
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I’v been using this knot ever since I see you guys post it, and I love it. And I honestly have lost a few gulp shrimp and when I reeled in my line, all that was there was just the coils on the braid. I knew it was probably something I did wrong and I’m guessing I wasn’t pulling it tight like that! Thanks for the video. I won’t make that mistake again

Joseph Simonds
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Thanks Charles! And you can thank Luke for the FG knot. He taught it to me back in January and I haven’t used anything since. Fish On!