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Fastest Way To Tie The Amazing FG Knot [Free PDF Guide Included]
By: Luke Simonds on April 30, 2015
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Braid to Leader • Fishing Knots • Fishing Tips
Why the FG Knot shocked the heck out of my brother and I…
Since launching Salt Strong, I have performed many fishing knot strength analysis experiments to make sure that the knots I recommend truly are the best of the best out there in terms of true tension strength… not just angler hype.
Like most anglers, I’ve used the same fishing knots for years just having zero doubt that they were the best out there.
In fact, when starting the knot testing, I never thought that I’d find anything new… just that I’d simply be generating proof of the ‘fact’ that the knots I’ve relied of for years would be the strongest.
More specifically, I was eager to prove the dominance of my favorite knot (a unique combo of the perfection loop and a uni knot) in the most important category… braided line to leader connection.
The reason this connection is the most important is because it’s the weakest link in the system for anglers who use light braided line (for maximizing casting distance) to heavier fluorocarbon leader (to withstand the biggest, baddest, and saltiest of fish out there).
For instance, a 50% knot tied on the lure end of a 30 lb leader is stronger than a 100% line-to-line knot one the other end given that it’s to a 10 lb main line.
So I was excited to prove to the fishing world that my unique method of connecting my braided line to leader was the best…
Free FG Knot Guide [PDF]
Click here to get a single page cheat sheet PDF guide showing the core steps of the FG knot so you can always have it on hand if you need it… it’s 100% FREE!
The FG Knot Surprise
When I first saw the FG knot, I just knew my favorite line-to-line knot at the time was going to demolish it.
Why?
Well, the FG knot only consisted of a series of braided line wraps squeezing the end of fluorocarbon leader… it didn’t even double-back the leader line like all the others… at first I thought it was laughable!
My theory about this tiny knot being weak was so fixed in my mind that I truly did believe I made an error tying my favorite knot when the FG knot beat mine on the first test (the test consisted of me tying them both to a single strand of line and then pulling on it until the weaker knot busted).
However, this incredibly thin FG knot completely humbled me that day as I re-tested it multiple times before realizing that my “unbeatable” knot wasn’t quite as good as I thought.
It then went on to win the line-to-line knot contest I held in January by a significant margin (over 30% as shown in the final four pic below), so I was quick to adopt it as my new favorite.
And this FG knot has done nothing but completely impress me ever since.
In fact, I’ve even tested it against every knot recommendation that has come in since posting the FG knot video shown below that somehow went viral on YouTube, and it has continually held its spot at the top… even against very popular knots like the Crazy Alberto, Surgeon, and double line knots like the bimini twist to a bristol.
How to Tie the FG Knot
There are several ways to tie the FG knot. The first way I learned to tie the FG knot was extremely time-consuming, so I was against even recommending this knot given how long it took to tie.
However, I then learned this short-cut method shown that has allowed me to now be able to tie it in under 1 minute, so I now recommend the FG knot for anglers who uses braided fishing line given that it’s both the strongest and thinnest knot that I’ve ever tested, and it can be tied fast if you do it using the method shown below.
Here’s a video showing the short-cut method to quickest and easiest way to tie the FG knot… just click on the image below to watch the video.
FG Knot Video
Free FG Knot Guide [PDF]
Click here to get a single page cheat sheet PDF guide showing the core steps of the FG knot so you can always have it on hand if you need it… it’s 100% FREE!
Conclusion
As anglers, our fishing knots are the only thing we have 100% control over when it comes to landing the biggest fish of the day, so we might as well make sure we use the strongest ones out there for each connection… and we must pay special attention to the connection involving the lighter/weaker line since the overall line system is only as strong as its weakest link.
Although tying the FG knot can take a bit longer than many others (especially when first learning it), it is worth using in my opinion because it has consistently been proving to outperform the others… even while being the thinnest option out there.
Please know that I’m by no means saying it’s the strongest knot known to man… just that it’s the strongest of the many I’ve tested it against for directly connecting braid to fluorocarbon.
Note: If you have a line-to-line knot that you’d like me to try it against, just leave a comment below (or send an email to fish@saltstrong.com) and I’ll be sure to include it in the next round of knot strength analysis.
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1. The Best Fishing Knots Of All Time [Ranked Strongest To Weakest]
2. How To Tie The Perfect Leader Assembly For Inshore Fishing
3. What Is The Proper Drag Tension To Use For A Fishing Reel?
P.S. – Be sure to share this post with any of your fishing friends who use braided line because they may not yet know about this very strong and thin braid to leader knot.
Free FG Knot Guide [PDF]
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Tied my first FG just 5 min ago. Using 15# J-Braid x4 with 30# Berkley Vanish Fluorocarbon. Got a cataract in my right eye so I’m blind in one eye and can’t hear out the other…fingers must be losing sensitivity as I could barely feel that thin braid line. No problem with the fluro. Holding the line tight in my teeth I needed to smile a big toothy grin as I almost cut through my lip with that thin line. Got it wrapped up and fumbled a half hitch on it. Let my cramping hands rest just a bit then put the other half hitch on. Cut fluro and threw on 4 more half hitches to help cover the fluro stub. Cut the braid (need better scissors as the stub looks frayed) Seems to be holding but was afraid to pull tighter for fear of slicing through my fingers…yes with the thin braid. Did I mention that the braided line is very thin?
All in all I call it a success and I think it will hold. If it doesn’t, I’ll let you know that it was the biggest fish I ever hooked into and it was his fault.
Just an update. Yesterday I went out for only 45 minutes before heading to my volunteer job. Divito Park is on the way so I stopped there. After a half dozen casts I checked my FG knot. I would have lost my bucktail jig on the next cast. The problem I think was the fluoro tag end kept hitting the final eye on my rod causing it to loosen up. I’ll try again and if no luck, I’ll try one of the competitor knots.
I recommend making a point to not reel or cast the FG knot (or any other knot) through rod guides on a continuous basis because the impact of the continuous hits will weaken it. Here’s a post that explains the details behind that: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot-mistake/
Thanks for the reply and late on a Friday night! I probably saw that post because I remember that being said. And I agree. That is why I will probably switch over to a more rod guide tolerant knot. The reason for that is I watched the video post on leaders. I like the idea of tying on a 3′ to 4′ leader so I only have to tie the “easier” knot every time I have to re-hook due to sharp mouthed fish bites. Until I start getting bites, I will give the FG a few more chances on shorter leaders.
I can’t trust a knot they works by cutting grooves into the leader. Braid – leader Size have to be a match etc…and is a pain to tie…
Alberto Albright and slim beauty all work great.
Of those knots, the Alberto knot tested out best in the tests that I have done.
Yep that’s my go to. Then Albright with a leader 10lb or under.. (Alberto breaks 10lb line) and slim beauty with smaller guides (not because it’s smaller but because the braid rests ahead of the leader knot which protects the knot from catching or taking damage just ahead of the knot on the guides).
I fish offshore and we use 200 yards of 80 to 100lb mono topshot tied to 80 to 100lb braid ..will this knot work with that heavy of mono ?
This FG knot does work for heavy mono, but the braid needs to be lighter to ensure that the grooves are deep enough in the outer layer of the mono to never slip off.
I have a knot that has never broke. The floro will before knot.. however I have no idea the name but I’ll explain kinda how it’s done… take your tag end of floro and make a loop.. then take your tag end of braid and run through the loop.. after it’s through loop, make 5 or 6 wraps down. After your last wrap. Turn around and start wrapping back towards your loop 8 to 10 times.. after u finish wrapping. Take your braid tag end and past it through the loop on the opposite side from where u initially started after u made your loop.. wet your floro n hold tag end in mouth, then sench down.. may need to help braid but once senched down, pull lines tight n cut ends………… only my problem with fg knot is it unravels… Thanks n try out…
It sounds as if you’re referring to the Crazy Albero knot. Here’s an experiment that I did in testing the knot strength of the Crazy Alberto to the FG knot in case you’re interested: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/albright-vs-alberto-vs-fg-knot/
Note: When you say that your FG knot is unraveling, are you using a series of hitch knots? IF so, they def should not come apart (I use a total of 4, and have not yet had any issues with them coming undone).
Have you tested it against the PR knot? They look almost identical after they’re tied but in all the tests I’ve seen the PR always comes out on top
Knot don’t work on 200 pound line
It worked for me
Hi Luke,
I love the info on SaltStrong so keep it coming!
I am going to be doing some freshwater fishing in N. Georgia next week. After doing research, I see that most of the fishermen up there tend to use 4-6lb leaders. I use 10lb braid on all of our reels and I am wondering what knot you would recommend to attach a lighter leader to braid?
We will only be up there for a week and I don’t want to bother respooling any reels.
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Thanks for the kind words Doug! I recommend the double uni knot for connecting a 10 lb braid to a lighter leader because it does a great job at protecting both lines regardless of strengths/diameters.
Here’s a link to see a review on the Uni knot: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/uni-knot/
luke – have you tested this knot?
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If I have 30lb braid reeled onto my reel, what lb floro should I tie to it?
It mostly depends on what size and species of fish that you’re targeting. What is your plan for that setup?
Luke, I love this knot but today I lost a 34″ cobia at the boat? When I took pressure off the fish and grabbed the leader the knot came undone of the Floro and the thing swam away!!!! Ever have this happen and or what do you think I did wrong? Only thing I could think is the floro stretched and became thinner ??
Hey Eric, sorry to hear about the cobia that got away. The FG knot is totally dependent on the very first coil staying tight and in place. My guess is that it did not dig into the leader far enough so that when your hand slid up the leader, it put enough pressure on that first coil to loosen up which in turn caused the rest of the coils to pull up as well.
Essentially, the FG knot is like one of those Chinese Finger Traps where it is incredibly strong when the force applied to it comes from the rod/reel, but it can be compromised when force comes to it from the lure/hook side while the main line does not have tension on it.
Thanks Luke ! All makes sense now but damn I was smelling cilantro on my ceviche!! Hindsight, I should have used the net………….
Luke – have you ever heard of the RP (Royal Palms) knot?
thanks
I just looked it up, and it appears to be the same thing as the Crazy Albero knot which is popular in FL (no idea which one was created first).
Here’s a strength test I did on the FG knot vs. the Crazy Alberto where you can see how it’s tied: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/albright-vs-alberto-vs-fg-knot/
Will this knot work on regular carbon line??
informative video!! thx
Yes, this FG knot will work for connecting a Yozi Carbon Fluoro leader line to a braid mainline.
Thank you for all your tips and sharing your knowledge with everyone. I have used everything that I’ve learned with much success.
Thanks for making time to leave the nice comment on this FG knot video, Manny. Fish On!
Joe, excellent demo. I commend you on your ability to answer so many questions with detail ,and above all, PATIENCE. YOU ARE GOOD. Thanks
Excellent demo!! Thanks!!!!
Can you do this with fly line and leader?
I have not yet tried this FG knot with fly line.
I don’t use braid I use Fireline. This knot don’t work well with Fireline. Any recommendations?
The double uni knot is a solid choice.
Someone told me a long time ago that to strengthen my knots, to put a drop of super glue on it. I’m sure I’ll get severely chastised for this, but, right or wrong?
I commonly hear about people who use super glue on their knots. I personally do not use it because some glues can do more harm than good because they can crack when the lines continue to constrict while being placed under more and more tension as it approaches its max capacity, and any sharp edges will damage the line.
Great illustration on your part and really made it an easy knot to tie. Heading to Toledo Bend in the morning and will try it.
So glad to see that you enjoyed this FG knot tutorial. I hope you enjoy this knot as much as I do. Fish On!
braid to flouro, how about mono or one of the hybrid/combo line types? Same knot?
Just to be safe, I’d recommend using the Double Uni knot as shown in this post: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/uni-knot/
Double nail knot
Do you have an article on the benefits of using the fluorocarbon leader vs. tying directly to braid?
Nothing formal. But I have noticed a significant different in catching pinfish for bait using hook and line when 20 lb mono or fluoro leader tied to the end of the braid catches a lot more fish than tying directly to 10 lb braid.
Cool. Really nice. Thanks
i know this knot will hole, but are you against using swivels to do this line to line, just asking ….????
I rarely use swivels simply because they are not necessary in most cases and can do more harm than good. Here’s a post that dives into the specifics: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fishing-leader-with-swivel/
Watched the video, tried the knot. I was skeptical and tested the knot using a fish scale. 30 lb braid to 20 lb fluorocarbon. The knot held, the flouro failed as expected, but the break was well away from the knot. Repeated the same test for verification. Same result. I was surprised. I am still curious to know if the characteristics of the braid may allow it to loosen up over time as some have reported. The tiny size, smoothness, and strength of the knot is impressive. The longevity will take some time to test but I will try and give it a fair test.
The FG knot is designed to protect a lighter braid from breaking when tied to a stronger leader. I do not recommend this knot for a 30 lb braid to a 20 lb leader because the leader will get weakened and the knot will be prone to slip off due to the thicker braid not being able to dig the necessary grooves into the outer layer of the leader for permanently locking into place.
If you’re using 20 lb leader often, then I highly recommend switching to a 10 lb or 15 lb braid because you’ll get much better casting performance (https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/casting-distance-experiment-10-vs-20-braid/) without losing much (if any) overall strength of your line assembly.
Mr. Simonds, given that typical 30lb braid is .011 diameter and 20lb fluorocarbon is .016 diameter, please explain what you mean by thicker braid.
The FG knot works better and better as the ratio of the braid’s diameter relative to the leader’s diameter gets smaller and smaller. And its risk of losing its grip increases as the braid’s diameter gets closer to the diameter of the leader. This is because the FG knot is held into place by the braid coils digging small groves into the outer layer of the leader. These groves are easier to be formed with the thinner braid (benefit #1). And the braid coils will be much more protected from getting compromised from the knot getting casting through rod tip guides as the braid diameter continues to get thinner and thinner relative to the leader due to having less exposed braid surface that hits the rod’s guides (huge benefit for those who cast knots through guides… this is the biggest risk to the FG knot failing).
So if targeting a fish that can be caught on a 20 lb leader, I highly recommend bumping down to a 10 lb braid because you’ll still have plenty of power and your casting and feeling of strikes will improve assuming you’re using spinning gear. In testing the breaking strength of my 10 lb braid tied to a 30lb leader with this FG knot, the breaking point was typically in the 20 to 23 lb range… which is more than enough to handle most inshore fish.
Thank you Luke for your for your very detailed response. Excellent explanation!
I’m a long time fisherman and this is the first time I have seen this knot…. and it is awesome! Question I have is if you have tested it to join braid backing to FlyLine?? Curious if there is any chance the braid wraps will pull off the flyline coating?
I have not yet tested the FG knot on flyline. My worry is that it won’t work because the key for it’s ability to never slip off is the thin braid’s ability to dig grooves into the outer layer of the leader… I don’t believe that the thicker flyline will be able to do that.
Luke, I meant tying the braid flyline backing onto the thick fly line instead of a leader . I will test this out and see how it does. Agreed it does not make sense on the flyline to leader connection.
As a new inshore fisherman (Indian River Lagoon) I am using the same knots I use for fly fishing. Surgeon s loop on the braid and on the leader & run one through the other. What potential problems will I have with this system
Assuming that you’re using a light braid to maximize your casting distance and a stronger leader to handle the business end, the surgeon loop on the braid will be the weak point so that should be the main concern. From my testing, the FG knot is the best know because it’s very strong (prob 30%+ compared to the surgeon loop) and it is the thinnest knot I’ve ever used. Here’s a tutorial showing how to tie it: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot/
Tried it, a lil sloppy at first but got my first one done. Stress the tension needed as you do the 20 loops, the first few I did came undone. I think I have it know, great advice.
Well done David! Glad to see that you got it to work. Hope you enjoy this FG knot as much as I have.
Luke – tied my first F G today. A little sloppy, but feels strong. A little tougher to tie than the double uni, but I guess it’s worth it.
Well done. I’ll only get easier from there.
THANKS FOR THE DEMO.
My pleasure!
Thanks for making us understand through a demo.
My pleasure! I’m glad to see that you enjoyed this FG knot video.
I am older and my sight and dexterity is not what it used to be. I use swivels most of the time to attach leader. Is this a problem?
Swivels are ok to use. My preference is without them since they require an extra knot and weight down the line. But placing a swivel in between the main line and the leader is ok.
I’ve had problems with my line breaking, always while casting, the knot is intact and the mono broken right at the Albright. I’ve recently started surf fishing for stripers where I’m casting heavy plugs which seems to make this worse (and quite expensive). How well does this knot hold up with heavy impact going through the eyes of the rod which is where my issue has always been.
The FG knot is at risk of coming apart if it’s casted through that guides on a constant basis.
WHAt is an FG knot? What does FG stand for?
I believe that the FG stands for Fine Grip
Just got back from the ReelAnimals show in Tampa. All the guides are using a bimini twist to a uni to get a doubled braid on the leader. Would like to see a comparison. How much does the bimini twist work as a shock/stretch ?
I tested the FG knot against a bimini twist with a uni on the doubled braid and the FG knot still pulled ahead (while being much faster to tie relative to the two-knot combo).
Here’s a link to see the test results: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot-vs-bimini-twist-knot-strength-test/
I must say a very elegant knot. I do mostly finesse fishing so use very light line. I tried the knot on 6lbs HMPE Braid (it is a silky type of braid) did about 22 twists onto 8lbs fluro but the fluro still pulled out. Increased to 32 twists much better initial hold but it was as if the fluro slowly worked its way out of the knot till it reaches a slipping point.
Any suggestions?
If you’re getting slippage, you’ll need to use less coils because you need more pressure per coil for them to dig into the mono… try 14 ot 16.
And then make sure that the overall knot strength is still stronger than any others you like to tie.
can you use this knot on heavy braided line like 65 or even 100 bl and tie it to 50-75 leader or is just for lighter lines
The FG knot is designed to protect a braid line from breaking when tied to a stronger leader, so I do not recommend using it to connect a 50 lb leader to a 65+ lb braid.
But if it’s a 65 lb braid to a 100+ lb leader, then it should work great.
Hi when I click to get the PDF print out I get error 604
any suggedtiond please
That must have been some sort of glitch. I just tested it out and all appears to be working properly. Please go ahead and try it again.
Just tied 25 FG knots 30# braid to 10# flour looks great will this line combo hold up fishing?
I do not recommend the FG knot for that connection because it is designed to protect a braided line from breaking when connected to a stronger mono/fluoro leader. Instead, use a 6 turn surgeon’s knot because it does the best job at equally protecting both lines.
I love the knot. I do use the extra 2 hitches at the finish to try to cover the mono. My problem with the knot is that after casting a while the braid hitch knots loosen and I begin to get a tag of loose braid. I can use a small drop of glue on the braid tag end but that does add a touch of hardness to what is a nice smooth and soft knot. Any suggestions? This question may have already been answered in the long comment section and if I missed it I apologize.
Sounds like one of two issues are at play… 1) the hitch knots are not cinched down hard enough… easy fix is to apply more pressure. or 2) you’re casting the knot through your rod guides too often… I highly recommend not making a habit of casting knots through guides because they will weaken any knot if done too many times. Here’s a post that specifically addresses this problem and how to fix it: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/casting-mistake-fishing-tip/
Small drop of super glue will solve that
Me too , also try clear fingernail polish. I have caught 40 lb reds and a few casts later I had knot failure with no load , then I added super glue and no failure after hundreds of casts. Best knot ever ,but don’t forget the super glue.
When I go after big fish, and I have braid to mono, I always tie a double polymar. Takes a little time but super strong and knot is not that big
This is by far the best knot for braid to mono or braid to fluoro. I have never lost a fish at that knot. As a matter of fact I caught a 250# swordfish and many tuna and mahi with it. It s easiest, strongest and thinnest knot on tie
Glad to see that you’re enjoying the FG knot too. Fish On!
OMG you just cut my offshore prep time by hours! Having to make leaders and swivels, and baits…. TYVM!!!!
Yep! The FG knot is a game-changer (and massive time saver)
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MY son recently brought a 100 pound plus tarpon and a 175 pound plus bull shark to boat on braid/ fluorocarbon joined with the FG . Great knot thanks for the “how to’.I add a tiny touch of super glue to lock in the tag end of the braid after it is trimmed
How awesome! Glad to see that you’re enjoying the FG knot. Fish On!
This knot can be such a pain great job simplifying it
Our pleasure Chris. Glad to see that you enjoyed this FG knot video. Fish On!
I’ve been tying this knot since watching your video, I’m a believer! My knots are tight and strong, now my buddies are asking me to teach them how to tie the knot.
Hey Leonard, I’m glad to see that you’re enjoying the FG knot. Thanks for teaching it to others as well. Fish On!
Been doing this knot with 50# Braid and 65# Mono leader material. No matter what I do the braid will not grip into the mono leader. It finishes great and looks fantastic for running through guides, but after a pull test it simply slides off.
Thinner lines (20# Braid & 40# mono) works great and holds.
Something I’m doing wrong or is this knot used only for certain poundage or leader material?
It works great for me when using 30 lb braid to 50 lb to 100 lb leader, so I’m guessing that the thicker braid relative to the leader is having a tough time digging its groves into the outer layer of the leader. My suggestion would be to use less coils so that the ones you make dig in with more force (try 14 to 16 coils vs. the 18 to 20 mentioned in the video).
I will use this for tying on the boat line connections. Have you compared this knot with using hollow core connection that would be done before going fishing?
I have not tried the FG knot using hollow core connection. Let me know if you find that it works. Fish On!
We don’t like it. You waste to much line and expensive leader materials. Besides that where’s your swivel gonna go?
I’m confused about the comment about wasting too much leader… there should not be any more unused tag end with the FG knot compared to most other knots (I’ll typically just have to cut off an inch and a half).
This line to line knot can be used in place of a swivel to connect two lines… it saves time in not having to tie two knots on each end of the swivel and its connection is equally as strong.
Sounds like he’s just a troll mate… considering he thinks to ad a swivel… (what a joke)
Its obvious that the waste on an FG knot is absolute minimal compared to almost all others.
The ease of watching your video and how well the instructions were conveyed, made me watch your others…
Thumbs up from New Zealand!
Thanks for the support Garry. Glad to see that you enjoyed our FG knot video. Fish On!
Can you use an fg knot to tie a leader to a fresh water fly line
I have not yet tried the FG knot on fly line. Please let us know if it works.
Thanks for sharing this FG knot I guess I’ll be practicing that tomorrow at work.
Your site is great. Would this knot be good for tying Rio’s Wire Bite tippet 20# to 40# braid?
For that matter, what”s the best knot for tying 20# Wire Bite to 20# fluoro?
After watching the video many time I tried to tie the FG knot. 25# Yozuri mono leader. I could not get the tension in the mono to lay flat on the braid. Is the leader too heavy ?
There is no such thing as a leader that’s too heavy for the FG knot… it gets easier to tie as the leader increases relative to the size of the braid. And it gets tougher to tie as the strength of the leader is closer to the strength of the braid…. especially if the rated braid strength is heavier than the leader. If you’re using a braided line that’s over 25# with that leader, I recommend switching over to the 6 turn surgeon’s knot.
luv ya work buddy
Awesome knot. Thanks for sharing. TJ
Thanks for making time to leave the nice comment. Glad to see that you enjoyed this FG knot tutorial. Tight Lines!
nice!
I’ve tried the Nanofil and the only thing I did different is that I made 26 wraps instead of the twenty. Seems to be holding great. We’ll see when it’s tested on the water though.
Have you tried the FG with Nanofil?
Not yet. I’ll be sure to pick up some Nanofil to give it a shot next chance I get. Tight Lines!
Can this be used on mono to mono with close to same size?
The FG knot is not good for mono to mono connections. Here’s a link to a strength test done on mono to mono lines: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/strongest-line-to-line-knot/
Very interesting knot…I will try it for sure
Great thanks
Going to go try to tie the knot now. Looks like a great skinny knot. Get back with you later
Wish I knew what I was doing wrong on the FG knot. I tied it several times and loved it, but the past 4-5 attempts have let go. I set it until I almost cut myself with the braid before clipping mono tag end. Even started leaving a little extra tag on mono. Reviewed video 20 times & pretty sure I’m not missing anything. Next step might be to wear gloves when setting knot.
Have you seen this FG mistake video? This is the most common reason for FG knot slippage: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot-mistake/
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Sounds like you’re tying it right… what lines are you using? The FG knot is designed specifically for protecting a light braid that’s connected to a stronger leader, so my assumption is that you’re either using a heavy braid tied to a lighter leader or whichever lines you’re using are not meshing well with this knot.
Tying 30lb PowerPro to either 40lb or 50lb mono. Don’t see much I can screw up on doing the wraps. Even gone back and made sure I’m initiating the wraps away from me with mono over braid, wrapping mono under braid and pulling tight. Don’t feel like it’s really digging in when I cinch it down, but again, I’m putting enough pressure that I’m afraid to cut my hands with the mono. I’m wondering if I have too much tension on the braid when making the wraps. I’ve not been lubricating the wraps when I go to set it. Not sure if that would make any difference. Also wondering if the wraps are too close together before cinching, which could possibly interfere with the “finger trap” effect.
Correction: ……cut my hands with the “braid”.
The FG knot should def work with those lines.
You may be right about having too much pressure on the braid when making the wraps… there needs to be some space to allow room for the braid coils to dig groves into the outer layer of the mono. Try a bit less tension and see if that works (I tie mine while standing and just have the rod leaning away at a ~45 degree angle… which creates just enough tension to keep the coils organized).
The more I think about it the more I’m convinced that’s the problem. Even after making the wraps I seem to remember they were very close together, not spread out along the leader. I think what’s happening is that they cinch just the last few wraps, but not along the entire series of wraps.
That 45 degree thing doesn’t work so well with a 12′ surf rod with 7000 Ambassador reel. I’ve been putting one end in my mouth and pulling directly against the reel, with the rod/reel laying across my lap. Guess I’m going to have to start carrying a spare TV remote in my tackle box! 🙂
Haha… yep, the tv remote worked well in the demo.
With a long rod like that you can stand it up and then wrap the line around a rod eye that is about head level before leaning it away from you (I do that when tying it in a kayak… it lessens the pressure and keeps the line right in front of your face making it easy to see).
Love it! Great demonstration. Great knot. Thank you!
Love the FG knot! Could I use it tie my filler (or backing) line to my mainline to spool my baitcaster? Thanks!
Yes, the FG knot can be used to connect a braided line to a mono/fluoro as a backing connection or a leader connection.
Do I treat Fireline as a braid or Mono? I understand that since it is fused, it doesn’t have the braid effect and is much more smooth. Does this hinder the FG knot effectiveness? If so, what knot should I use to connect 20# fireline to Mono or Flouro? Thanks
I’d be interested in the answer to the Fireline question. I just tried to tie a couple of FG knots using #20 Fireline Crystal and 80LB mono. It would not grip the mono and just slipped off. I pulled as hard as I could before clipping the tag end of mono.
I have never used Fireline so am not sure how it will react with the FG knot. If it has a smoother surface than braid, then it probably won’t work with the FG knot.
To be safe, I’d recommend the 6 turn surgeon’s knot because it’s one of the strongest knots I’ve tested and works for all types of lines and is also very quick and easy to tie… here’s a link to learn more about it: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/surgeons-knot/
I have never used Fireline so am not sure how it will react with the FG knot. If it has a smoother surface than braid, then it probably won’t work with the FG knot.
To be safe, I’d recommend the 6 turn surgeon’s knot because it’s one of the strongest knots I’ve tested and works for all types of lines and is also very quick and easy to tie… here’s a link to learn more about it: https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/surgeons-knot/
Thanks for the video. I just tied the fg knot with help from your video and it was successful for the first time for me. Kudos
I’m glad to see that this FG knot video helped you tie it correctly on the first try. Hope that you catch some monster fish while using it soon… Fish On!
Hey Luke! really appreciate the knot videos, so easy to watch, understand and learn. You guys are doing a great job, both of you. Livin the dream yes? lol Fish on! Thanks again
I use this knot quite a lot on the beach fishing for tailor, Jew and Mackerel but I’m unable to ever bring in the Spanish mackerel. When they hit they hit fast and I’ve got my drag on very light but for some reason the braid gives up because when I bring in the line I don’t have any leader or the knot just a frayed braid on the end. I’m using 30ld braid with 60lb leader
Luke, Thanks for the info. I’ve been using a double bobber stopper knot. Basically you lay the 2 lines side by side, tie a bobber stopper knot with the braid then tie a bobber stopper knot with the flouro , lubricate and pull the 2 knots together. Could you strength test it. It is slightly thicker, but is easy to tie. I’m tying 10lb flouro to 15lb braid and I haven’t had any issues.
Iam using power pro to mono. The knot keeps slipping down the mono.
Hey Bruce, make sure to cinch the knot down with a lot of force before cutting off the tag end of the leader. If the knot somehow won’t cinch down, then please let me know what brand leader you’re using as well as the listed breaking strengths for the braid and mono and I’ll try to help troubleshoot the issue.
I’m definitely going to try this knot looks good
Will this work with 12lb fluoro to 10lb braid ? If so do I need more wraps?
The FG knot should work with 10 lb braid to 12 lb flouro, but it’s getting close to the edge since the 12 lb flouro is so thin.
I’d use 18 wraps, and pull it very tight before cutting off the tag end of the leader.
Note: Make sure the full line of braid coils dig into the leader… they all should slightly change colors as they dig into their groves.
And to be extra safe, I’d purposely break it by securing the other end of the leader to something stable and then pulling on the braid until it breaks. If it’s a clean break, then the knot works… if the end of the braid has lose coils on it, then the lines don’t work with the FG knot.
Thanks 18 wraps is less then the video ….is that better then 20 for this purpose?
When the lines are closer in diameter, it is better to do less wraps because the coils will need more force on each one to dig the necessary groves into the outer layer of the leader… so a lower amount of coils will get more force on each one when tightening the knot since the same force is spread between few coils.
You’re welcome to use more, but just make sure that all of the FG coils (especially the last one closest to the lure) digs in… you can tell be it changing colors as it cinches down.
Thanks for your help and video on the fg knot tied it today using 10lb braid to 12lb fluoro and landed the biggest rainbow of my life!
Congrats on your rainbow catch! Those sure are an awesome fish… great fighters and sure to look awesome.
Love the FG knot…fought a 40+ pound yellowtail with a 600 pound sea lion playing tug of war with me and my fish for over an hour and a half, while I kept buttoning down the drag. Probably had 25-30 pounds of drag at the ended of the fight (65# braid to 50# fluorocarbon leader). The hook finally pulled out. That knot is the bomb and bullet proof!!! My go to knot – now. I used to use the Bob Sands knot, which I never had a failure either, however a slightly more bulky finished knot, than the FG. My Albright knots would almost always fail.
I tied the knot 4 different times and with a micro guide rod it broke the knot of when casting … lost a couple good lures but continued to believe it was my fault. Reverted back to the Albright Special and haven’t had to retie it in a long time. I’m not sure what it was about the FG knot that caused it to break off when casting but it seemed to run smoothly through the guides when I tested it by pulling line out manually. Stinks cause it took me a while to perfect the knot before I actually started to use it and that time was well wasted.
Hey Jeremy, thanks for the feedback. I had the same issue until my brother Luke watched me tie the knot and told me about this one critical error I was making (that quite a few other anglers have done as well)
Check out the most common mistake here: http://v2.saltstrong.com/articles/fg-knot-mistake/
I will have to give it a try again to make sure I don’t cut the tag end too soon. It’s been so long since I tried it that I can’t even remember if I actually made that mistake or not. This time I’ll make a cast with a weight on the end instead of one of my good lures haha.
Hahaha. I know what you mean. I threw off a $25 topwater lure while tarpon fishing right before I realized my issue. Definitely bond it together really well before cutting off the tag ends. It makes all the difference in the knot.
Not sure why but now when I’m pulling the two main lines tight my fluoro is breaking off … lol
Had to give up my hands are killing me … 4 tries 3 out of 4 the leader broke last try the leader pulled out of it. Next time I try I’ll try and thicker leader line and see if that’s been the problem the whole time.
So I tied an Albright real quick with the same fluoro and it broke off … I think the fluoro is bad or too light.
Wow! Sounds like you may have a bad spool of fluoro. What lb test is it? And what lb braid are you using?
20lb braid on 8lb fluoro …
Ah, well the fluoro is breaking because it is so much weaker than the braid. Since braid has a higher breaking strength relative to its listed amount compared to mono, I always recommend using a lighter braid than whatever leader is used because you’ll get better casting performance without losing any strength in the overall line system.
Note: The likely cause of the FG knot slipping is because the thicker braid is having a hard time digging notches in the outer layer of the fluoro.
Here’s the setup that I most often use when inshore fishing in case interested: http://v2.saltstrong.com/articles/how-to-tie-a-fishing-leader-for-snook-redfish-seatrout/
Thanks for the help. I was trying to use the knot on a finesse setup for smaller species so maybe I’ll not use it for that but at least now I know the leader needs to be a thicker higher lb test than the braid.
Thanks for everything.
Sorry that my earlier comment wasn’t clear… the FG knot works great on light lines too (the problems only arise when the leader is lighter than the braid). It’s all about relativity… doesn’t matter if it’s light line or big game line.
If that particular rod/reel is for smaller species, then I recommend going down to an 8 lb braid (or less) because you’ll be able to cast further, you’ll save money on line, and you won’t lose any overall line strength because the weak point will be the knot that is tied to the lure/hook.
And going to lighter line doesn’t mean you can only catch small fish… here’s a video of a decent sized tarpon caught on 10 lb braid (tied to 30 lb leader using the FG knot): https://youtu.be/K9cJeyjxeFk.
Ok I see now.
I’ve always been taught to use a lighter leader than the main line. I’ve never thought of going the other way.
Can you do the same with carbon to mono?
If you’re referring to fluorocarbon to normal mono, then I do not recommend the FG knot (it’s only for braid to mono/fluoro).
Here’s a knot contest for mono to mono: http://v2.saltstrong.com/articles/strongest-line-to-line-knot/
Note: Fluorocarbon is a type of monofilament line.
Brilliant, I just ordered 2 sets of micro guides from the states for a travel rod I’m building for a trip to new Zealand, was concerned about slim beauty, Albright, or double uni catching on these guides that I haven’t used before. This knot looks way smoother than any knot I’ve used and to be rated as stronger what can I say! Thanks for the demo, Aussie fish on down under
Mate – great video and super easy method for this knot. It took me a while to get the bimini/bristol combo right but was just a few runs through the video and a few dry runs and I am away laughing. Heading out on Sunday to try it out. Cheers!
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Hi Luke – Great way of tying the FG Knot, have been using it successfully on our local Yellowtail Kingfish in Nelson, New Zealand, they are great fighters and so far I have landed fish up to about 30lb – but there are much bigger ones out there!!. Had a beer last night and as everyone knows beer improves your brainpower and after the beer a question popped into my head, should I be wetting the line before I tie the knot as I know that with other knots you should wet the line first??
Hey Daniel, I have not seen a difference in wetting the FG knot before cinching it down or not, so I don’t bother with it.
What if using braided line in bottom on reel and mano on to of reel can this knot still be used
Hey Daryl, the FG knot should work for that connection inside the spool… I use it to connect my mono filler at the bottom of my reels to the braid main line which is essentially that same thing. Just be sure to give it a good test to make sure it holds if the breaking strengths of both lines are similar (the FG knot works best to connect a light braid to a heavy mono/fluoro leader).
I have used the FG not successfully on regular powered and similar lines for about 8 months, but I have had a problem recently with a “braid” that is not my normal brand. I have used it with 6lb Berkly fire line crystal and have had multiple failures where the flourocarbon leader is pulling through the knot. It is a very slick line that is fused, not braided/twisted. Any issues with using similar lines (like power pro slick 8)? I have tied it in some old slick 8 without and issue, but it is so old that it is no longer very “slick”.
What is the heaviest braid and fluoro limitation. Use 75 braid and 60 fluorocarbon.
I have not heard of a max limit for this knot… I typically use 10 to 30 lb briad to connect to 25 to 80 lb mono/fluoro, but I’ve heard from others who use it to catch big tuna on heavy tackle.
My only recommendation is to always use a braid that is of a lower strength rating because the diameter of the braid needs to be much smaller than that of the mono in order to dig the proper groves into the leader for it to lock in place… I’d be careful when using 75 braid to a 60 lb leader… test it out be intentionally breaking it off on something before putting it to use.
This is by far the easiest way to tie the FG knot. I learned to tie this three different ways. this is the best yet!
thanks
Thanks to Luke for simplifying it for all of us! The FG Knot is all I use after watching him tie this a few times. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment Jim.
Do you always tie a couple feet of fluoro onto your braided lines?
Yes, the fluoro leader allows for beefing up the line strength to protect from getting broken off by a fighting fish while at the same time being less visible to them.
Will the FG knot work with mono as it does with fluorocarbon?
This FG knot is specifically for braided line… I’ve done some testing with mono to mono, and I’ve never been able to get it to dig in like it does with braid.
Here’s a test I did with 4 of the strongest mono to mono knots I found after some preliminary testing in case interested: http://v2.saltstrong.com/articles/strongest-line-to-line-knot/.
Thanks for the great video showing how to tie the FG knot, I have been using this knot for several months and really like it.
I was thinking of trying this knot on my game reel , I will be useing 100lb power pro onto 130lb mono to take place some of the shock into the line . What do you think is this a worth while knot to use ?
LIKE THAT KNOT! I LIVE IN VIRGINIA AND FISH IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY,MAINLY OFF BUCKROE PIER IN HAMPTON VA ,I FISH FOR COBIA, SPEC’S ,PUPPY DRUM ,RED DRUM ,FLOUNDER, AND WHAT EVER ELSE THAT WANTS TO PLAY!THAT KNOT SHOULD DO GREAT FOR.ALL.ESPECIALLY FOR MY SIGHT CASTING RIG. THANKS
what about line twist? theres no swivel
Very nice instructions. I’ll use that with my fly rod as its so small. thanks.
I’ve heard mixed reviews about the FG knot to connect fly line to backing… apparently some fly lines have a thick out covering around its core that will slide off when a lot of force is applied. I definitely recommend testing its strength out before relying on it for connecting backing to fly line.
Thanks for making the video. I’ll try it today.
My pleasure Ray. Let me know if you run into any issues tying it.
Landed 2 Tarpon thanks for the fg knot. They were juvenile but i was fighting them with 10 lb braid and 30 lb flouroleader. The first tarpon i hookup up to wrapped himself in the mangroves and the knot (Orvis knot) on the leader gave out before the FG. I then proceeded to land two more tarpon on the same knot and leader. Amazing knot! Thank you for the easy to understand and follow along video!
Awesome news Adrian! Glad to see that you’re enjoying the knot and catching some good fish with it.
Keep up the great work. And make sure to join the Strong Angler Challenge series so you can win prizes for your catches… here’s a link to the current Challenge dashboard: http://v2.saltstrong.com/strong-angler.
Thanks guys very much. Havent been using braid for long and all the knots I was shown were terrible through the rod guides. Especially when using very light gear. The Alberto was the best but had it come loose too many times lost good lures. This knot is fantastic! Thanks a bunch!
I’m glad to see that you’re enjoying the FG knot. Although it is very slim, I highly recommend against casting it (or any knot) through the guides on a frequent basis because the friction of hitting the guides at a high rate will continually weaken the knot to a point of potentially casting off lures.
Yeah found that out yesterday on a $25 lure. Back to the drawing board. Is there a slim knot for fine braid that will run through the guides and stays attached?
Yeah, I have had knots catch the rod guides and break them, as well as knots catch on the guides and tangle.
Beats me how the GT popper guys use two rod lengths of 150lb mono to 100lb braid!!
What are these guys? Magicians?
I use what was taught to me as the “no name” knot which gives you the same diameter finished product with close to 100% line strength and is much quicker to tie
Great knot. I was using the Alberto knot but the FG is much better. I fish for Spanish Mackerel off the rocks here in Western Australia..can’t tell you how impressed my mates were when I showed them this knot.
I tried to tie the G\FG know with 100/100 mono to braid. After several tries I gave up. Later tried with 20/30 braid to mono w/o a problem. Is there a trick to using this know for heavy lines?
Hey Rico, I’ve heard similar stories from others who tried the FG knot on lines of equal strength ratings… so it appears as if the FG knot requires the braid to be much thinner than the mono/fluoro in order to dig in its groves in the outer layer.
Since braid is so much stronger than its listed strength compared to mono/fluoro, I always recommend using a braid that is at least 20% lighter than the leader. Using the lighter braid compared to leader allows for much better casting performance (much less water drag for bottom fishing) without sacrificing any overall line system strength…
For example, I use 30 lb braid with 50 lb fluoro leader when bottom fishing for grouper… and when I get snagged on the bottom, the knot going to the hook breaks before the FG knot does… so a heavier braid wouldn’t do add any extra strength because the weak link is the fluoro.
I hope this helps. Fish On!
Hey Luke and Joe, I live in Florida over by the Mosquito Lagoon area (Titusville) and I have recently joined your group. Outstanding how you two have worked as brothers together! I have a brother whom owns a fly shop in northern Wisconsin and he and I worked together for many years until I screwed everything up and got married!?? Oh well, that’s life getting in the way again, my fault. Anyway, I’m a fly fisherman and I’d love to see a little more on any fly-fishing/fly-tying technics you may have. I also worked in the fly fishing world for a fly-tying and rod manufacturer out west after I was married so if you need and/or are willing for any ideas I’d be willing to help, although there are a ton of fly fishing legends here in Florida whom are way more qualified then I to add to this forum.
P.S. I’m just a regular guy and I KNOW that I DON’T know it all by a long shot, but I’m willing to share the little bit that I do know with anybody. I’m also always looking for people to go fishing with and “Tie one on”
I’m just getting into using braid to flourocarbon leaders, having success so far. 1 question I have is what is the difference between flourocarbon fishing line and flourocarbon leader material? Thanks, keep up the great work on your website and Youtube channel!
Hey Brett, I’m actually not sure if there is much of a difference between fluoro line made for the main line and than made for leader… I highly recommend sticking with braid main line given the added casting performance and increased feel it provides in relation to mono/fluoro.
I just got back from Costa Rica offshore fishing and seen this knot for first time. They tied it between there fingers but it is the same knot, I am learning it to use,
Hey Stan, thanks so much for making time to leave a comment. How cool to see that it’s being used over in Costa Rica too… I’ve seen that finger style before, and had trouble trying it that way so I continue using the line in mouth method. Fish On!
Great video, much easier than how I’ve tied the FG in the past. Thanks.
Loved the Video Excellent leader knot Thank you so much , now I can make my own leaders and not have to tie lures directly to my main line and save my main line from hang ups , Fabulous info to know and use . I can’t thank you enough. Ha
Hey Jack, thanks so much for making time to leave a nice comment. I’m thrilled to see that you’re enjoying this FG knot and wish you the very best next time you’re out on the water… Fish On!