Palomar Knot Vs. Toit Knot [New Strength Test]
- By: Luke Simonds
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This knot test put two of the strongest snug knots I’ve tested head-to-head to see which one truly holds up better: the Palomar vs. the TOIT knot.
Each test was run back-to-back under the same conditions so we could clearly see which knot failed first and at what point.
Half of the tests were cinched dry and half were cinched using saliva, allowing us to see how wet vs. dry cinching actually affects knot strength and the results were not what most anglers would expect.
Here’s the video:
Featured Gear
- Mono: Ande 20 lb
- Fluoro: Seaguar 20 lb
- Scissors: Fish Strong Scissors
Conclusion
For the fluorocarbon tests, the Palomar Knot outperformed the Toit Knot… that being said, the Toit Knot is still a very good knot for use on fluorocarbon lines.
For the monofilament line tests, the results were very close, with the Palomar Knot having a slight advantage.
But given how much easier the Toit Knot is for tying to anything bigger than a bare hook or swivel, I’m going to be using that when in need of a maximum-strength knot for that connection.
Personal Note: I’m almost always using a much stronger leader line compared to my braid mainline, so I’m still going to continue using the Orvis Knot for my mono to hook/swivel connections because it’s super fast to tie while still being stronger than a loop knot and/or my braid knot.
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Just curious why you mentioned preferring mono over the flouro?
Because I have been continually surprised at how poorly fluorocarbon line performs when testing it against regular monofilament line. Below is a video that sums up many tests I have done on it.
https://www.saltstrong.com/fishing-tip/mono-vs-fluoro-debate-settled/
Still would like to know the relative strength of the standard 3 to 4 twist snug knot vs the Toit. (wet&dry) Maybe you have a historical figure somewhere for the standard snug?
Which knot are you referring to as the Standard Snug knot? Is that the Clinch Knot (aka – Fisherman’s Knot)?
Clinch Knot is correct. Was just referring to it as a snug knot. Simple 3 or 4 twist (depending on the diameter of the mono), tag through the loop, and pull tight. Can’t recall ever having one of these fail. Just wondering where it comes in compared to the Toit.
The palomar and toit knots are going to be at least 10% stronger than the basic clinch knot.
Thanks… know ‘back in the day’ you’ve probably done a test on the Clinch. Just so long ago no one can remember…😅
I am 84 years old and my fingers and eyes don’t work like they once did. I find it hard to hold and see the many loops required for the toot knot.
another excellent comparison Luke. Thanks for your expertise.
I use the polar knot for the most part but I may try the other out once I get back Ocklawaha the water …. Great information and video on this subject Luke ……. !
I have used the palomar knot for years and love it. I only use it on setups where I use clips to change out lures often. All of my direct tied lures us a loop knot.
Always appreciate these knot & line tests! Thanks so much! I’m loving the toit and you’ve saved me a lot of money with your fluoro vs. mono testing!
Appreciate the testing! Thank you for taking the time to test and quantify things.
Have you ever tested the D.O.A. lure loop knot? Very easy knot. I have used it for years and have had very good luck with it.
That is also referred to as the Canoe Man Loop knot. It’s a top-tier loop knot for sure… tested extremely close to the Non-Slip Loop knot that I prefer in terms of strength. I still choose the Non-Slip Loop knot since it’s easier for me to tie.
I find that the Palomar Knot to be easy and quick to tie.