The ALBRIGHT vs The ALBERTO vs The FG Knot [Strength Test]

By: Luke Simonds on September 24, 2015
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It’s “KNOT OFF” Time!

After posting our first braid to leader fishing knot contest in which the FG knot was the surprise winner, many readers have asked for us to test out more of their favorites…

And the two most commonly requested knots were hands down the “Albright Knot” and the “Alberto Knot“.

These two knots are actually very similar so I was curious to see which one was the strongest of the two… and I was even more curious to see how that stronger one did against the FG knot (our current reigning braid to leader champion)

So this post is going to cover exactly that… first, we’ll put the Albright knot against the Alberto knot.

And then we’ll put the winner up of that “Knot Off” against the reigning champion, the FG knot.

Albright Knot vs. Alberto Knot

These two knots are extremely similar. Both of them start and end the exact same way, but the style of line wraps in the middle section of these knots are what separates them.

And for this contest, our core focus is to determine which style provides the strongest connection.

So we’re going to make sure to use the same amount of wraps for each one in order to see which one is best.

Note: All tests are using the same spools of line (10 lb PowerPro to 30 lb Ande fluorocarbon).

How to Tie the Albright Knot

The Albright knot is known for its ability to connect two lines of different sizes including braid to fluorocarbon.

In most tutorials, the albright knot is taught using 10 wraps but I increased it to 14 in order to match the total of 14 wraps from the alberto knot.

Here’s a video showing exactly how to tie the albright knot:

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How to Tie the Alberto Knot

The Alberto knot is becoming an extremely popular knot for connecting braided line to a fluorocarbon leader. Its popularity is due to this knots ability to be tied to pretty much any type of line with varying differences in diameters.

And as you’ll see below, the Alberto knot is very similar to the Albright knot given that its beginning and end are identical.

However, the line wraps in the middle are what makes this knot unique. Its premise is that making 7 wraps out, and then 7 wraps back will create a continually squeezing system similar to a Chinese finger trap.

Here’s a video showing how to tie the Alberto knot:

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Strength Test – Albright vs Alberto

To test the breaking strengths of these two knots, I tied each of them to a single strand of line and then applied steady pressure until the weaker of the two broke (and I did this a total of 5 times to have a decent sample of results).

Given that the similarities of these two knots, I was assuming that they would be fairly close and this test confirmed that assumption… here’s how it went.

  1. Albright knot pulled out @ 7.2 lbs of tension
  2. Albright knot broke @ 11.3 lbs of tension
  3. Albright knot broke @ 9.4 lbs of tension
  4. Alberto knot broke @ 15.6 lbs of tension
  5. Alberto knot broke @ 9.2 lbs of tension

In case you want to see how the test was performed, here’s a quick video showing the breaks.

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Conclusion – Albright vs. Alberto

Given that these two knots are pretty much identical in terms tying time and their knot size, the strength factor between these two knots should decide which one is best for braid to fluorocarbon.

And the Alberto knot proved to have the higher average breaking strength in this knot test.

ROUND 2

FG Knot vs. Alberto Knot

Since the FG knot was the winner in our previous braid to fluorocarbon leader knot contests, we now need to check to see if this very popular Alberto knot can unseat the reigning champ.

So I used the exact same test consisting of 5 bouts between these two knots tied on a single strand of line using the exact same spools for consistency.

Here’s how it went:

  1. Alberto knot broke @ 10.4 lbs
  2. Alberto knot broke @ 14.6 lbs
  3. Alberto knot broke @ 13.9 lbs
  4. Alberto knot broke @ 9.3 lbs
  5. Alberto knot broke @ 8.7 lbs

This video shows the breaks.

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Conclusion

The unique line twists of the Alberto knot proved to increase the breaking strength of the traditional Albright knot when using a light braided line to connect to a heavier fluorocarbon leader.

However, the FG knot proved to have the higher breaking strength once again for this very important connection.

So my earlier recommendation of the FG knot still stands…

The FG knot has once again proven to be the strongest direct braid to fluoro connection while having the added bonus of being the slimmest of them all since the leader line never doubles over.

Although the FG knot takes slightly longer to tie, it has proven to be well over 30% stronger than the Alberto knot when used to connect 10 lb PowerPro braid to 30 lb Ande fluorocarbon so that added strength is well worth the added tying time.

Note: Different line brands/sizes could alter results, so I recommend testing these knots out to see which one is best for the lines that you prefer to use (just make sure to anchor the lines down well and wear glasses to protect your eyes from flying line parts).

If you have a knot that you’d like me to test out, please either leave a comment below or send us an email and we’ll be happy to check it out.

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How did the GT knot fare vs FG?

Anonymous
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Luke, why 30lb fluorocarbon for 10lb braid, you know 15lb – 20lb fluorocarbon will land you
a very big fish, just a thought.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Hi Luke, wee test I would like you to do (not use, but just to open your eyes).

Get a swivel (anyone will do) and get that 30lb fluorocarbon you have and
put tag through eye of swivel, go around line (above eye 5 times (only)
then get tag and go through small loop above eye of swivel creating a big loop,
go in through that loop 3 times, spit, pull up (gentle), spit and gently pull
knot down above eye of swivel, for fishing that knot will NEVER come undone.

Anonymous
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Improved Albright knot.

Now that opened my eyes today, I wanted to use a 10lb fluorocarbon (leader) with a
20lb braid (main line) for those days the river is in normal state (not high black water)
12lb set up for that is great. I couldn’t believe (by accident/something I read) how the 10lb leader ended up
as strong as if it was tied to a swivel, blew me away, solid (I could not break it period with max pressure)
at the knot doing one small but amazing thing.

That’s .21mm braid and a .26mm fluorocarbon leader. (Knot) Super strong and I mean super strong.

“The amount of raps”, going up and going down. 5 raps up/3 raps down, pulled the hell out of it
and I just looked in shock, opened my eyes. Going thinner on leader = less raps as braid is just crushing
leader. Yes the leader is slightly thicker but 20lb braid is much much stronger and cuts like a knife through butter.

Knot for (what im fishing for) 100%.

Blew me away Luke on such thin light line one word “impressed”.

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Anonymous

The knot that is referred to as the “Alberto knot” is actually known as the “Improved Albright knot”
as in second vid, or a double Albright knot.

This is the knot I could not break (with my usual set up), choice between the two fg or above,
tied correctly, ide choose the “Improved Albright Knot” as its far quicker to tie.

Anonymous
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Ahha just spotted something that caught my eye, in your vid “how to tie the Albright knot”,
Luke that is not how its tied, in vid its a single weave, its two weaves.

Proper way,

Take leader line double up as in vid (at start), pass braid up through (not down as in vid)
and start weaving braid 9 times (or whatever one chooses) near your thumb and finger
end (not at far end as in vid), then after you have done 9 weaves one way (keeping everything tight’ish)
go back down 5 times and gently (at this stage) pull leader so that loop is very small but also
just enough to put tag end of braid down though loop, wet and pull gently, job done.

So after you double over leader start weave near loop end and work away from you
then back down towards you, I say loop as when you start it does look like a loop
in your hands, in vid weave is started wrong end.

Also nobody uses a 4 inch leader so I don’t understand test above, you asked me “why 1 inch”,
simple I was (just for peace of mind) just testing knot, and I could not break it period with (my)
usual set up.

Only way to test any knot is with a fish on the end, best test of all, but if you can not break it
or it does with huge pressure that is still fine as a big fish one lets it run.

We call your Alberto knot were we live “the Albright knot Luke”.

Anyway whatever you call it lol the second vid (I call Albright knot and there are vids also saying this)
is all one needs or the fg, good as each other in my 30 years experience as an angler.

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Lastly, remember when a good fish is hooked one lets it run (never drag on full)
from the spool or fly reel, if one has done there own tests and one is more than happy
and one has landed big fish (like I have numerous double figure fish on 8lb fluorocarbon)
and saw the backing on many occasion (with no issues whatsoever) that’s all that matters.

Yes experience is key and trial and error takes years to master.

We all are learning, and that includes me.

Anonymous
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Just did a test rovex tergo 20lb braid to 12lb fluorocarbon with fg knot
same result as Albright knot, I could not break it period.

Anonymous
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Luke just to add on each test including fg knot on your vids you can clearly see
the 30lb fluorocarbon leader stretching then breaking.

I too did a test today with straight 30lb fluorocarbon (straight piece)
jee wiz it stretched and snapped like a twig (no braid attached just fluorocarbon.

30lb fluorocarbon should not break at 14lb using any knot, I believe you need to be
closer to knot, that’s why it broke you can see clearly it stretching out.

I got two wooden spoons and wrapped the braid till I got one inch from knot
on one spoon and one inch from knot on the 12lb fluorocarbon and pulled
100% with every once of my strength (im very strong upper body) it was super strong
and made me smile, repeated twice (3 times in total) same result.

Whatever works for whatever set up one uses and has confidence in use it.

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Did the Albright knot test with 20lb Rovex Tergo (.21mm) braid and 12lb (.285mm) Varivas Hrd top
fluorocarbon (not 30lb braid and 10lb as stated above) and out of 3 tests 1 inch
to the knot pulling with all my might (I do weights and am very fit) it didn’t even flinch
one bit, there is a huge difference between 10lb and 12lb fluorocarbon and
I use this set up for salmon fishing, 100% in 30 years of fishing I recommend this knot
when tied correctly and tested with different breaking strains, Albright knot 20lb braid
to 12lb fluorocarbon for fishing and letting a big fish run never will break at knot, thinner
fluorocarbon I don’t use and would not go 30lb braid to 10lb fluorocarbon in a test.
Outstanding knot, thicker lines and thinner lines one not for all is rubbish.
Thicker lines crush thinner lines as does braid to fluorocarbon, get it right
as I did the Albright knot is bullet proof with NO break at the knot.

Anonymous
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Can u please test the “springer knot” vs palamor n SD jam knot

Anonymous
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Please test relix knit strength

Riccardo
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Riccardo

Great job!
Have you ever done a strenght test between Alberto and Tony Pena knot?

Mike Hervey
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Mike Hervey

Hi Luke. I just joined Salt Strong and am getting into your videos. Nice stuff. Always something to learn. I’ve been using the FG knot to connect floro leaders to my braid with great success. No issues.
Currently I’m setting up a 12wt fly combo with 65lb braid backing for big tarpon. I’ve considered tying my fly line to the braid with the FG knot rather than an Alberto. But wonder if the braid will dig into the fly line in a similar way to Braid to floro.

Any thoughts ?
Thanks
Mike

Tommy Wagner
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Luke have you done any tests in the modified albright knot?

Anonymous
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I have always finished off my braid side of alberto and FG knots with UV knot sense to protect the end as reeled in the guides and the distal (heavy mono) side for protecting the end going out. Have you seen any issues with that?

Philip K
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Thank you , Very Interesting

John Meisinger
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I have had lots of problems with FG knot slipping, especially in heavier weights. Example, 50# braid to 65# flouro (seaguar), catch a big skipjack no problem on a top popper, 4-5 minutes to bring him in with rod bent over. Two casts later, FG knot slips. Someone showed me an addition. You tie is same as shown here, but the double half hitch just braid, double half hitch just flour, then double half hitch just both (I do a couple extra after snipping end of fluoro as Luke showed too. Haven’t had any slip since. I’ll admit that, in smaller strength test (20# or 30#), I also add in a single half hitch of fluoro onto the braid after doing the above sets of doubles using the braid and then add a few more doubles using the braid for good measure. Makes the knot SLIGHTLY bigger but completely eliminates slippage on the tougher fluoro when the braid has difficulty biting in well. Would love to hear if others try this and what they think.

John Meisinger
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Just to be more clear, here it is again with some additional verbiage and no autocorrect errors!

You tie it same as shown here, but then, using the braid, double half hitch just braid, double half hitch just fluoro, then double half hitch both (I do a couple extra after snipping end of fluoro as Luke showed too. Haven’t had any slip since. I’ll admit that, in smaller strength test (20# or 30#), I also add in a single half hitch of fluoro onto the braid after doing the above sets of doubles using the braid and then add a few more doubles using the braid for good measure. Haven’t tried adding in this last step in heavier strength for worry of knot size but will go there if have any slippages even with the above modification.

David
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David

I have tried to tie FG about 3 times and it was always pulled off mono leader with almost no tension at all. I tightened it with all force I have, but without possitive result. Everything was done exactly like in the video. Maybe the reason is braid, spiderwire ultimate braid, which is extremely smooth. On the other side, it was impossible to break alberto knot with the same 70lb braid and 60 lb mono leader.

Mark
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Mark

I’ve seen others and have myself used the “blood knot”… I use it quite a bit tying heavier braided line to a lighter liter (mostly floro) if I’m in a hurry and don’t want to take the time to tie the FG. I haven’t seen any reviews on your site regarding this knot….? Any recommendations on the blood knot?

Joe Whitehead
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Joe Whitehead

On your “Albright” knot, which is exactly how wes tie it and use it, only since I was 5yo (43 yes ago) and since my Pops was a kid.. (+70yrs ago), we’ve all know it as the “Weaver’s Knot or The Loom Knot”!
However, the ONLY difference is that we wet the knot and then pull it “SNUG”, just SNUG! We are also talking about catching 38″+ Bull Reds, 30 -90# Drum, Huge Tarpon, Snapper, Gator Gar, 3-1/2 to 5 1/2ft Shark.. etc.. So by leaving the knots “JUST SNUG”, It acts like a bit of a SPRING, if you will, as it allows a BIGGER FISH, HEAVIER STRIKE to get to the end of the line and that little 1/16″ of spring left in there gives you that VERY LAST “Umph” of reaction time to keep that fish from breaking your line, and gives you time to save your catch.

ramón merino
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ramón merino

a comparison between fg knot vs tony peña knot

Scott
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Scott

Hi Luke

I really appreciate the videos and reports and all the work that goes into them – really gives the rest of us a good base to try and find what will work best in the situations we face.
I fish a whole host of spots with the the same gear (all for largemouth bass) and don’t have the time to change my main lines spooled onto my reels – and so I spool varying strengths of (generally quite heavy) braid onto my different reels and just use leaders. My biggest challenge has been trying to get my heavy cover rods which are spooled with 60lb braid to be useable in open water situations where the water is crystal clear I.e I need to have 6/8lbs flouro tied to my lure. I’ve resigned myself to probably having to tie to a thicker flouro/mono and then tying in the thin stuff (unless you think there is something else I could try?) but in your opinion, what is the smallest mono/flouro you think I could get away with and which of the knots would be best suited?

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I find it odd to use 10 pound braid with a 30 pound leader. Braid is so thin I don’t understand why in most situations you wouldn’t use heavier braid if you feel the need for a 30 pound leader. I feel that fg not wouldn’t work with more common braid to leader combo’s such as 15 pound braid to 6 or 8 lb flouro. Or 60 pound braid to 50 lb flouro. But I haven’t tried it. I feel like an easy to tie knot is most important so you tie it well and often. I switch my leader knot every 200 or so casts anyway.

Herb
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Herb

I have surf fished with nothing but 10 pound braid for close to 20 years and always use either 20 or 30 pound flouro for leaders , FG knot is perfect for this although i haven’t had any issues before i found out about it .

The overwhelming majority of anglers fish with much much much heavier braid than necessary , i have whipped fish 40 + pounds and didn’t have to play them for long periods of time either . Light braid (If using good connection knots) has a much higher braking strength that 25 pound mono .

People always use the excuse of abrasion resistance to have an excuse not to use it , i remember being cut off one time in over 20 years fishing the Oyster encrusted beaches of N.C and S.C .

Skilled anglers have no issues but if not so skilled it probably is best to use heavier line , your rod/reel won’t perform nearly as well as every increase in diameter of the line even if small has a negative impact on your rod performance.

josh
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josh

What do you think of tying a half hitch or tie with the braid tag end to finish off the alberto?

Mike
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Mike

Luke…this fairly new FG knot is pretty cool and look forward to trying it out. Thank you for sharing it and the testing. I have been running the modified Albright(Alberto) for several years now. It’s been my experience with Fluoro that the terminal knot will break before a properly tied connector. While using a 20/6 braid and a 6-10# Fluoro leader(smallmouth), I can only remember the connector breaking(on a hang up) a few times before the terminal double San Diego. Having also snapped a few leaders on hook set, I have see the leader snap just below the Albright but never pull loose or actually fail.

I would love to see you perform this same testing with smaller diameter leader. Just to see if the FG would be a good option for lighter spinning applications. I would predict that a little longer wrap might be needed to spread the load on the smaller line.

Also, on our Alberto’s, we do a 10/10 wrap instead of a 7/7. Not sure if this would change things but it might. Last thing would be to have a littler bigger sample, because the wide gap breaking points would lean to a little variation in tying proficiency.

Mark Pohlhaus
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Luke,

I fish 3-4 times per week in Pine Island Sound and have been tying and using the Alberto Knot to join 15 lb braid to 20 and 25 lb flourocarbon for the past 3 years. I have had great success with this knot, but will have to examine the alternatives, given these test results.
I just joined Salt Strong, and I love the Salt Strong Manifesto, and am learning a great deal from your program/ tips to take my inshore game up a notch. Thanks for a great focus on light tackle with artificials for inshore species, Mark

Robert DeKeulenaere
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Red Phillips Knot for braid to fluoro should be tested. Especially handy knot when using heavy fluoro leaders. And as Ronald mentioned below the figure 8 loop knot; have been using this one for many years.

Ronald Estey
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Luke, I have really enjoyed ( and learned a lot from) your knot tests. I have been using the “tarpon figure 8 loop knot” for attaching leaders to flies. I wonder how well it would compete against other loop knots….? It is easy to tie but the tag end does stick out a bit thus catching weeds if fishing in a salad.

Ken Rodgers
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I watched the video on the Albright Special Knot and I like to tie knots, but it seemed to me that the knot was not cinched down as far as I go – and that might account for your wide variation in test results. Just my observation.

Thatcher Beaty
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Thatcher Beaty

I enjoy watching your “how to” videos and knot comparison tests. I have a suggestion for another test. In a nail knot tying video I watched on YouTube, one connection they recommended was using two overlapping, three turn nail knots to connect tippet to leader, or to join two lines. I wonder how these would compare in knot strength to the traditional blood knot? If they are strong enough, I would consider using nail knots when building tapered salt water leaders for bonefish or Permit. Thanks, ETB