Non-Slip Loop Knot: How Many Turns Should You Do? [Knot Experiment]

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If you maximize a lure’s action, you’ll maximize the strikes you can get with it it.

This is why it’s best to use a loop knot when using a lure you need to put action on, like a soft plastic on a jig head or a topwater lure.

But here’s the bad thing about loop knots: they’re not as strong as snug knots.

Because of this, it’s important that you tie a strong loop knot.

My favorite loop knot is the non-slip loop knot and to make sure I’m getting the most out of it, I decided to test the optimal number of turns to make when tying it.

I tested two turns vs. three and four turns and the results were not what I was expecting!

Check out the experiment in the video below and see how many turns leaves you with the strongest knot.

Optimum Number Of Turns For A Non-Slip Loop Knot [VIDEO]

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This experiment was done with 20 lb. Ande monofilament and, except for the number of turns, I followed the steps for how to tie the non-slip loop knot in this video.

Here are the results (measured in pounds of force it took to break the knot:

2 Turns:

Test #1: 21.59 lbs

Test #2: 20.22 lbs

Test #3: 19.75 lbs

Average: 20.50 lbs

3 Turns:

Test #1: 21.06 lbs

Test #2: 21.38 lbs

Test #3: 22.73 lbs

Average: 21.72 lbs

4 Turns:

Test #1: 19.15 lbs

Test #2: 19.38 lbs

Test #3: 19.54 lbs

Average: 19.35 lbs

Discussion

This was a little surprising!

There was an expected strength increase from two turns to three turns, but I did not expect a decrease between three turns and four turns.

It appears that there’s something about the extra turn that renders the knot weaker.

The good news about these tests is that they were all relatively consistent and there weren’t any outliers that would make me question the validity of these results.

Now although the knot with three turns is strongest, I will still be using the knot with two turns.

It makes for a cleaner knot (less visible to the fish and less opportunity to snag weeds) and, at over 20 lbs. of breaking strength, it’s stronger than the FG knot I’ll be tying at the line to leader connection.

I’m using with 10 lb. braid there, so I don’t need a knot much stronger than 20 lbs. of breaking strength.

Conclusion

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As it turns out, there is a difference in strength between the number of turns you put in a non-slip loop knot.

Three turns yields an average of 21.72 pounds of breaking strength, two turns yields an average of 20.50 pounds of breaking strength, and, most surprisingly, four turns yields the weakest knot at an average of 19.35 pounds of breaking strength.

I’ll still be using the non-slip loop knot with two turns because it’s cleaner and I don’t need a knot that has more than 20 lbs. of breaking strength when my braided line is only ten pound test, but I’m glad to finally see these objective results.

Were these results what you expected?

Have any questions about the best way to tie the non-slip loop knot?

Let me know in the comments below.

You can learn how to tie the non-slip loop knot here.

And if you know someone who puts more than two turns in their non-slip loop knot please TAG or SHARE this with them!

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William Clifford
5 months ago

Luke, would a barrel swivel with safety snap work like a non slip loop knot. Using a safety snap is faster and easier for me in a kayak (and some arthritis in some of my fingers doesn’t help either) ?

William Clifford
5 months ago
Reply to  Luke Simonds

Thank you, I just joined Salt Strong and learning a lot of good things, hopefully I can get out soon and catch some fish.

Charlie Driggers
1 year ago

Luke, on your saliva/no saliva test the average for Ande Mono 20lb with a two twist loop knot was right around 17 lbs. For this test the two twist average is right around 20 lbs.

Do you think the difference was test setup? Just curious.

Gregory Thebeau
2 years ago

Luke, thanks for the use of science. Snags are a part of fishing. When I have to break a line, due to a snag, I don’t want to lose my whole rig. I would rather just lose the lure. Why don’t you use, say, 30lb braid with a 20lb leader and the loop knot tying on the lure. That way you have to break points before losing your whole rig. The break points should be first the lure, second the leader. The last thing I want to do while fishing is tying a FG knot.

Erik Johansson
2 years ago

Consider testing with direct attachment to braid, no leader.

Jim Esher
2 years ago

Like have you tried comparing the non-slip loop know to the canoe man loop knot. Would be interesting to see that. Canoe man is much faster to tie

Mike
2 years ago

Have you tested flurocarbon leader

David Kotch
2 years ago

I often throw lures on 10lb leader, so will stick with 3 turns for <20lb line until we see test results telling us otherwise. It’s great to have this information, since most descriptions of the Lefty Kreh knot outside of Salt Strong show 4 or 5 wraps. Even the tutorial here says 3 wraps for >40 and 4 wraps for <40lb.

Also curious what to use for 60lb loops for beach and offshore. There must be an alternative that doesn’t have such a sharp turn at the far end of the wraps? Maybe a king sling or something more “figure 8” ish? I suppose a bigger knot would be acceptable in that weight range.

I reference your “fishing-knots” article all the time. But would love to see some differentiation in those lists for heavy vs light light line.

Back to the lab for you!

Last edited 2 years ago by David Kotch
Mike Connelly
2 years ago

Luke, your info is always great and your test clearly show the the results. I am interested though in just one turn on your machine? I have always only used one 1 wrap and back through and have never had an issue with a knot failing. (slipping out).

Dave Morales
2 years ago

Good to know..thanks for providing test result

Dan Reffett
2 years ago

Thanks for the data. All your conclusions make sense, think I’ll go with 2 twists as well.
Regards!

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